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Islam and Christianity becoming more alike

While Islam becomes even more radical, and 200-300 million Christians worldwide, 80% of which live in Muslim countries — and in Turkey — are being persecuted, threatened and murdered, Radio Vatican happily cited the French philosopher Olivier Roy, who informs us that Islam and Christianity in Europe are becoming more like each other.

Turkey’s ambassador to the Holy See, Kenan Gürsey has also emphasized this.

Radio Vatican writes:

“Islam in Europe is becoming more and more like Christianity — only we don’t want to recognize it.” So the French philosopher Olivier Roy, leader of the National Research Center in Paris, stated lately to the Zürich “Sonntagszeitung” newspaper. The Internet pages of Muslim congregations in France and Germany, for example, are written in French and German respectively, the political scientist stressed. He especially criticized the Minaret Ban of last November in Switzerland. For the minarets are an attempt to become more like Christianity. They demonstrate the desire of creating Muslim congregations that are conspicuous and that function similarly to Christian congregations, so Roy said.

That Islam and Christianity stand closer to each other than often thought, was stressed by the Turkish ambassador to the Holy See, Kenan Gürsay. He argued his point about the cooperation of religions in the framework of the lecture series “Identity and Religion” that started Tuesday evening at the papal Jesuit college Gregoriana in Rome:

“We are all impressed with a certain tradition, and furthermore believers of a certain religion. That common thing among all of us. That is the ethical claim that our religion lives within. Your consciousness of values. This is where the universal greatness of religions, in spite of all the differences, presents itself. Somewhat like an interreligious ethic. And each of us must go in search of this universal message.”

Islamic mysticism can build a bridge to this universalism, the diplomat delved more deeply into his views. So the centuries-old tradition of Sufism unites various mystical currents that have existed, from the meditative recitation of the “99 most beautiful names of God,” to the reflection of one’s own relationship with God. That prepares the way for interaction with other religions and contributes to the dismantling of prejudices, especially those that have grown in connection with radical Islamic terrorism:

Sufism is no doctrine, and can found none of its own churches. It is also no religious or philosophical school, rather it is much more an energy. And this enables us to see the various lines of Islam in a new light. In this way, the Sunni and Shiite traditions can be brought into harmony with each other. And still more: the Sufist line of vision enables us to recognize all monotheistic religions! Such a thing as a new interpretation of the history of religions being done on a philosophical level is now possible — even if a utopia is portrayed the first time.

Hence, minarets serve the purpose of drawing the mosque closer to the church. Aha! Good that it has been said now.

It’s sad that the church, in the endeavor to heighten its own influence, has actually made a pact with the devil.

(Translation of German PI-article by Anders Denken)

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#1 Trencherbone (26. Feb 2010 08:33)
Sufis are just as violent as teh rest of them. See links under SUFIS at http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-…
#2 leto (26. Feb 2010 09:00)
I agree that Christianity is getting more and more watered down, until it stands for nothing. The only Christians that seem to have any spirit left are the evangelicals. I agree that Christianity is getting more and more watered down, until it stands for nothing. The only Christians that seem to have any spirit left are the evangelicals.
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#4 Bloody Mary (26. Feb 2010 14:31)
I personally never liked the dark medieval ages. Therefore I do not become the same as Islam. There are enough christian priests who are very much in love with the muslims. Stay away from them. They take your money to support mosques in Europe.
#5 DP111 (26. Feb 2010 16:31)
Bloody Mary wrote: I personally never liked the dark medieval ages.

The dark middle ages is a myth. More research has shown that it was a period of immense innovation, and laid the foundation of the High Middle age.
#6 DP111 (26. Feb 2010 16:33)
PI moderator

Is it possible for me to post in English on the German PI?
#7 DP111 (26. Feb 2010 16:55)
Islam and Christianity becoming more alike?

Is it possible that the person, who wrote this, is an ignorant of the doctrines Christianity and Islam?

Or is it possible that the person who wrote this, is distinctly uneasy of the Islamification of Europe, and is trying to hide behind the comforting notion, that they both are getting closer to each other.

The last is the most likely explanation, given the fear of Islam that pervades Europe

Christianity and Islam are about as dissimilar as it is possible for any two faiths to be. In fact, Christianity is the most unusual religion possible, or ever has been devised.

Apart from the trivial statement that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are from the common stable of Abrahamic faiths, there is nothing else in common. The most fundamental difference between Christianity and all other faiths is this

All other faiths pertain to life, laws and customs in this world.

Christianity does not pertain to this world – it is in fact an otherworldly religion. It is because of this, that only in Christianity that separation of the secular from the divine is possible. In fact it is necessary from the Christian point of view, for this separation to be enforced, or any ostensibly Christian nation would fall, devoured by the wolves that prowl. Therefore Christians like Wycliffe, John Locke and others, invented the separation of church and state. Christianity requires a secular state for its existence and its practice. Both Judaism and Islam require no such separation. The same holds for the Eastern religions. In Buddhism there is no other world, therefore the distinction does not even arise.
#8 DP111 (26. Feb 2010 17:08)
Iran: Nine Christians arrested amid crackdown

Propagating other faiths is forbidden under Islamic law; hence, the clerics apparently decided it was time to ensure the dhimmis know their place. "Iran: Pastor among nine Christians arrested," from AdnKronos International, February 26:
Tehran, 26 Feb. (AKI) – An evangelical priest was among nine Christians arrested in central Iran on Friday as authorities continued a crackdown against Christians in the Islamic country.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/iran-nine-chris…

Throughout the Muslim world, Christians are being persecuted like no other group – that includes Hindus, Buddhists, Athiests, or even homosexuals. If Christianity and Islam were becoming like each other then

Muslims would be persecuted in the West as they are in Islamic countries

or

there would be no persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.

Neither is true, therefore Christianity and Islam are not becoming alike, even in the public domain. In the spiritual domain, they are about as far as it is possible.
#9 R_not (26. Feb 2010 20:19)
No, Christianity is not becoming like Islam. What is happening is that Christians are not able to stand for anything for fear of sinning if they criticize islam. No where is it a sin to criticize islam. If a Christian cannot figure that out then shame on them.

The teachings of islam are the complete opposite of Christianity. Christian 'leadership' should be ashamed of themselves too. I put that word in quotes because they are more like useful idiots than Christians.
#10 Amerasu (26. Feb 2010 20:34)
Yes, you can
#11 freethink (26. Feb 2010 22:35)
The problem is what is being classified as "Chrisitianity." I do not see the Roman Catholic church as being Christian, as it has added tradition to the Word of God (see the large tome called the "Roman Catholic Encyclopedia," not to mention the Papal bulls.
Jesus Christ said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." A true Christian is one that follows the commandments from Jesus Christ. That means, regardless of religious denomination, the one who follows His commandments is a Christian. In the book of the Acts, the word Christian was first used to describe followers of Christ. Originally, it was a pejorative term.
Where does one start in following Christ? John 3:16-"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Romans 10:9-13 points out that if we believe that he came to die for our sins, that he rose again and confess our belief to God, then we'll be saved.
This is the beginning of Christianity. Quite a contrast from the other religion in the discussion. Christianity says "believe and live." Islam says "believe, or else die."
#12 DP111 (26. Feb 2010 22:41)
Thank you.
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#14 DP111 (28. Feb 2010 11:38)
freethink wrote: Christianity says "believe and live." Islam says "believe, or else die."

Well said. I hope Muslims read and understand the significance of that.
#15 Huddie (28. Feb 2010 23:07)
I am not surprised that this statement came from the pope. Mohammedism is a religion which was birthed from the roman catholics. The only difference between them is the absence of statues. The pope is the false prophet and he will the right hand man of the anti-christ. Beware, you are being warned for the end is at hand.
#16 freethink (01. Mar 2010 17:27)
I agree 100%. Christianity is really not becoming like Islam. The heading of this article — I believe — is speaking of >>nominal<< Christianity. There is a lot of difference between the two. A lot of things are being done "in the name of God," but not all of those things are very godly. And if one wishes to include Allah in the "names of God," then that spectrum of what's done in the name of God while not being godly expands exponentially.
#17 modern nasi (04. Mar 2010 00:09)
send sand nigers home
#18 R_not (04. Mar 2010 00:36)
name calling only reduces us to their level. You will find that it only gives them the fuel they need to categorize us even more. Yes, I know that they have no problem with calling us names because it comes right out of their own texts. But don't give them another excuse. Let them have baseless claims instead of real claims.
#19 R_not (04. Mar 2010 00:41)
I don't want to get into a debate with the long running Protestant obsession over what the Catholic Church does or does not do regarding the practices of Christianity.

But I do think that in regards to Islam the Christian and Catholic 'leaders' are not taking a strong enough stand and instead giving out mixed messages regarding islam. Individuals are, but not as a whole.

We need to stop this squabbling of 'you are not as Christian as I think you should be' type of arguments and stand together. In the Catholic Church it doesn't help to have a Pope (John) kiss a koran! and to have in its Catechism that the God of Israel and allah are the same when it is so very obvious they are not!!!

And from both Protestant and Catholics, they need to get over the fact that criticizing islam is NOT a sin. And we should do it and do it OFTEN!